Texas lost, so they must have sucked the whole way. By your argument, only one team is "in the race for the MNC" - the eventual winner. Texas may not be top-2, but they're definately top-15, better than 90% of the rest of the country.

And you're so full of it, it's not even funny. Texas fans are no more classless than A&M fans, who are no more classless than Tech fans, who are no more classless than KSt fans, who are no more classless than OU fans. Every fan of every school sucks, except for the school the defender attends. There are no truer words. The sooner you realize that, the sooner you stop looking like an idiot.

I've seen Aggie fans curse my mother, and I've had Aggie fans stop me on the street and thank me for my behavior at the game, and congratulate me on the win. Which is the proper indicator of "A&M football fans?" Likewise, I shared lunch with about 30 KSt fans when they came to Austin 3 years ago, and then had a number of fans call into question the whether or not I actually had a father. Which is the true indicator of "KSt fans?" And every school has their stories - UT fans are fairweather. Yeah, maybe more true than at some other schools, but A&M couldn't even sell out the game against (then #7) VaTech. What does that tell you? Nebraska fans travel well, and are the classiest fans in the nation, yet in was a group of Neb fans that made the paper for a drunken incident after the B12 champ game two years ago.

Chris Simms put us in a position to win against Texas A&M in 2000, and 2001, and against Colorado1 in 2001. Are these not big games? To say that he has "never done" anything is simply false. No one is calling him the savior anymore, cause he obviously isn't. But to call him a glorified backup is to be just as wrong as those calling him the blonde haired jesus.

Criticism of the fact that he hasn't lived up to his billing is certainly deserved. He has been given a number of chances to prove his abilities and he hasn't done so. But calling him a bunch of juvenile names is not necessary, it's not funny, it's not cool, it's childish.

I realize that MOST Texas fans are certainly not the classiest in the world, and my opinion on that subject has been well documented on this board. However, I don't believe I've ever heard our fans cheering when an opposing player has been hurt. I pointed out one incident that occurred at the OU game, and I highly doubt that any of you truly disagree with what I said.

matt_ :

Where do you get off with that? Here you go with Tech being classless... when it's well established that there are only a few people at Tech who supported shoving the goal post up there.
And it was the ag's who started fighting... clearly evident on video.

This whole classless argument is hilarious... every school has "classless" students... including Tech, A&M, UT, and OU.

I think it's funny how you ag's just can't let it go...

Ashley:

Did Simms cost Texas the game on Saturday? No, certainly not. But good quarterbacks put their team in a position to win day-in and day-out against the top teams -- and Simms has NEVER done that. Chrissy? Christine? In my opinion, all deserved. I'm not sure if you've ever met the guy or seen him out at the bar (I'm assuming you have since you go to school there), but he's a first class cocksucker and deserves every bad thing that happens to him on the football field. Modesty is not a quality he possesses. And no offense meant to you, but a Texas fan has no place to say anything about "classy fans" to anyone with the exception of Tech.

josh:

Texas' being in the National Championship race while 85 other teams weren't had almost nothing to do with how Texas played, but rather their preseason hype and high ranking. You put Bowling Green with a #5 ranking at the beginning of the season and they are still "in the National Championship race". Is Texas a solid team you should be proud of? Hell yes. Has Texas shown they deserved to be "in the National Championship race" 7 weeks into the season? Hell no. 1 semi-quality win over an over-matched (but still decent) North Carolina team does not make you deserving of the ranking... Only time will tell, if Texas wins out (which they could very easily do), then they deserved to be in the Top 10 at the start of the season... but don't go thinking Texas did anything to put themselves "in the national championship race" -- they were put there before the season started.

I agree with a lot of what you said about the CFB fan's mindset, but cheering when a player on the opposing team is lying on the field with an injury is about as classless as it gets. OU's fans aren't the first to do it, but I mean, come on. This is elementary etiquette I'm talking about. I was sitting behind the Hellraisers at the OU game and when one of OU's players was hurt, one of them suggested that we start cheering after what OU's fans had done. Then another guy said "no, let's lead by example and show some class." I wouldn't call someone classless unless they did something to merit that label, and every OU fan who yelled BOOMER SOONER when Roy was down is lacking in that department.

Heh. What's REALLY going to piss me off is when Chris goes to some NFL team and just lights shit up. Then all these people will have to realize that we've had probably some of the worst playcalling in the nation for three years running.

Every college football fan is "classless". That is, unless you go to my school.
Every call against my team is a "fucking ripoff". The same call against the opposing team is "a great call, ref".
If we win a close game, the coach is a hero. If we lose a close game, the coach is a "fucking pussy" and needs to be fired.
If the QB throws 10 for 30 and we win, it was a great effort. If he throws 10 for 30 and we lose, he sucks and is overrated.
I have never played football at a higher level than intramurals, but every play called by the Offensive Coordinator in a loss was "fucking retarded"
Every school that has traditions is a "cult". Except, of course, my school.
Every college student not attending my school lives in a trailer park and has abnormal relations with animals.
I don't remember the good plays we made 5 minutes ago. I only remember the time, back in '98, when we fucked up and the coach should have been fired.
If we lose, I expect the opposing fans to be gracious. If we win, well, go fuck yourself, we're awesome and you suck.

Good points, Josh. Finally someone is making some sense.

I'm a little more incensed about this game than I normally would be because I've been arguing with a punk from A&M who generally knows his football but has recently decided that acting like a 5-year-old by continuously referring to Simms as "Chrissy" and "Christine" is more fun. I would be willing to listen to someone who can discuss the game without blaming everything on Simms, but as soon as that shit starts, I tend to get a little bitchy because it's extremely annoying to hear it over and over again, regardless of whose fault it might actually be. If we had lost because of Simms, I would be all for people criticizing him. But that wasn't the case on Saturday, and people with half a brain would realize that.

I do want to go on record and say that OU's defense is much better than I gave them credit for being. I knew they were good, but they proved to be a lot faster than I was expecting. Our offensive game plan became much too conservative after our first TD and the Sooners put a stop to it. For that, they deserve props. And Stoops definitely outcoached Mack Brown, as he has for 3 years.

I think people are selectively forgetting that Chris Simms doesn't get to call the plays. The number of times he throws the ball isn't his decision. As I said earlier, the guy isn't going to throw for 4 or 5 TDs when he only gets 26 attempts in the game. After we got our first score, Davis just decided to keep the ball on the ground as long as he could, with the mindset of "let's just try as hard as we can not to screw up" instead of being aggressive and trying to score points. Several times that Simms did get to throw the ball, his receivers made very little effort to catch it, with the exception of Roy Williams, who was the best receiver on either team, despite his injury. By the way, cheering BOOMER SOONER while he was down on the field??? Very classy.

I think there is a lot to be said about having an underdog QB. When Applewhite was there, the whole team seemed to play harder and better, and the students really supported him and hoped for him to succeed. When Simms took over, he brought with him a ton of hype and extremely high expectations, and all the students seem to do is pray that he doesn't fuck up.

Here's the bottom line - we are most likely out of the NC race this year. However, we were in the NC race this year until week 7, which is more than A&M, Nebraska, Colorado, Tech, and about 85 other D1 programs can say. That's a good thing. Losing to OU is a bad thing, but the sun will come up tomorrow. We can win out and play in a BCS, or even lose one more and still play in a tier-1 bowl. It's still a good season. Next year, we'll get a very clear look as to where the problems really lie, since Greg Davis will get a shot without Chris Simms at the helm. If it's the program, expect VY or Mock to struggle just as badly as Simms has. If it's the player, then expect VY or Mock to excel, because they're both highly rated players.

Nice excuses.

I believe I established the fact that our OL gave up a long time ago. That is why Simms took the sack. He had no other choice. If he had tried to throw it away, we probably would have seen exactly what happened to Rod Rutherford against Notre Dame.

The only top ten teams Simms has choked against have been OU (last year) and Colorado (also last year). But if you'll actually think about it, he didn't choke against OU this year and he didn't choke against Oregon in the Holiday Bowl two years ago. That was probably one of his best games (despite 4 interceptions), next to the 2000 A&M game. If you don't consider Kansas State (road game), Nebraska (road game), A&M, and maybe even Texas Tech (road game) to be big games for Texas and for Simms in particular, then maybe football isn't the sport for you. This is the toughest conference schedule Texas has played in a while. I realize Nebraska isn't as strong this year, but in Lincoln, anything can happen. Against ISU, it will be all about whether or not our offense can put it together. And that means the entire offense, not just Simms. He can't win the game or lose the game entirely on his own, contrary to popular belief. It's really kinda funny how everyone downplays games like the KSU game or Nebraska until Texas loses. Then suddenly it becomes another huge game that Simms lost. When is this crap going to end?

Hate to break it to you Ashley, but the final scoring drive for UT was sort of handed to them. What better way to control the clock then let UT get a sacrificial TD and take over the ball where WE controlled the clock to let it count down. And if the Special Teams kicker knew how to kick an onside better, we wouldn't be having this conversation because UT would have had the ball on the 40 yard line with winning TD in sight. And the reason the OU defense was on top of Simms at the end is the OL fault. As I said, they had already given up. Didn't even have enough effort to protect thier QB.

And as many of us have noted, Simms is worthless against top 10 teams. Your schedule coming up should be no problem and Simms can prove nothing beating K State or Nebraska or Tech or A&M. He does have something to prove by beating ISU which I don't see happening since he tends to choke under the pressure. The other games should be practice for him.

Yeah He'll make a good back up QB in the NFL.

BOOMER SOONER!!

P.S. Funny Quentin Griffin's OU number is 22, same as Emmitt Smith's for Dallas. I see big things coming from the small man.

Don't worry about Simms. He has several more chances to prove himself. This weekend, he gets to try his hand at something Major couldn't do ... beat Kansas State. Next weekend, he gets to take on Seneca Wallace and the Cyclones of ISU, then Nebraska in Lincoln the weekend after that. And I know you haven't forgotten about the LCC matchup or the A&M game in November. We haven't seen the best of Chris Simms yet. If our coaching staff and our OL and our receivers can learn their lesson from the OU game, we can definitely win out.

Info for South Mall Stadium this Saturday... we'll be giving away t-shirts for answering trivia questions--burnt orange t-shirts, even. If you've ever wanted to put a face with my postings, swing by between noon and 2... I'll be the short girl with brown hair and a grey Texas sweatshirt.

Kelly, what are you gonna be forcing people to take tomorrow?

Eh, "that girl" just doesn't have the same weight as "that guy". And when it comes to shoving fliers and people and screaming obnoxiously at them, you need the mental association of "that guy". But, be nice to me and take a fucking flier and I'll give you a t-shirt.

i heard (i thought on this message board) that ou was not uo because the university of oregon was already uo, so they just took the hit and decided on ou.

You mean 'girl'. You're confusing your pronouns.

(anyone else see Porn and Chicken and also disappointed with it)

Ah, irony. I've spent more than two years avoiding those annoying people on the West Mall that shove shit at you... And tomorrow, I'm going to BE one of those people for two hours. I feel guilty already... I hate being that guy.

On the football note--For once, this really wasn't Chris Simms. It was the coaching. "The wind interfered"? Please. Try selling that somewhere else, Mack, because we ain't buying.

And finally, there was actually a polite person riding the west campus bus today... a minor miracle.

Giving up is one thing the Tech offense refuses to do...

You'd never see that out of our guys.

Sorry you got stuck with Simms... like you were saying Ashley, money can rule everything... and Simms has it, so that's why he is "the star".
I guess it works on all sides of the table...

He accepted that UT was going to lose? Is that what you call leading his team to the final touchdown of the game? He knew he was going to lose and he knew he would take the blame for it, but he drove down the field and did his best to score anyway, while many of his teammates, including his OL had already given up. The last play of the game, what was he supposed to do? OU's D was right on top of him from the moment the ball was snapped. Did you want him to throw the ball anyway so OU could intercept it and score another TD? It's like he said a few weeks ago, sometimes you have to swallow your pride and take the sack. I don't call that giving up.

Uh, if I was down by 11 points with zero left on the clock, I'd probably accept the fact that I was gonna lose, too.

Ashley, you give Simms respect, yet did you not catch the final play of the game?? Simms was Sacked....he kind of just ran back a few yards and layed down to get hit. When the offensive line gave up, so did Simms. He wasn't rallying behind them getting the ball moving, he just kind of accepted that UT was gonna lose.

BOOMER SOONER!!!

P.S. I Have ZERO clue why OU isn't UO.....I went there and still don't get it.